Hi all,

In the sample application I made, I have both grid and form panels. In both cases the enter key does not take the user to the next column. Tab key does. However, in a fast data entry situation enter key is very important to take the cursor to the next column. Also people are used to press the enter key after entering something. That's how the name came to be called ENTER. Is there any way to make formspider to use enter key also to take the cursor to next column?

George

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Hi George,

I remember having this discussion with my users when they switched from the old operational system to the current one. People told me that the system was unusable without ENTER to navigate between fields... Few weeks later, everybody was used to it, and nobody ever raised the issue again.

My advice is not to go that way. I don't even think it is possible within Formspider to use ENTER instead of tab (or at least it will cause lots of headaches) just make it a training issue. Formspider is not Oracle Forms, it will have some things that users will have to get used to. This ois one of those things.

Best regards, Michiel

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My thoughts exactly. So I am just going to vote this up. :-)

(27 Feb '13, 03:54) Yalim K. Gerger ♦♦

Hi all,

Wait a minute! Why ENTER key is placed to the right side of the keyboard? Because, most of the people are right handed. Why it is bigger(apart from space key) than other keys? Because he is a VIP. However, formspider likes to ignore the VIPs. No problem. As you have rightly said, it is a usage/training issue. (We can even use the ESC key - I am being bit sarcastic). However, data entry will always be slow. My philosophy of programming is to give what user asks, if possible. I will not sleep, eat, drink, wash, go out until I accomplish it. Again, if possible.

Thank you all.

George.

(27 Feb '13, 04:22) George

Hi George, I understand where you are coming from. I am a Forms developers myself.

Unfortunately, the Web world has progressed differently than Forms. In Web applications, and among Web application users, the default expected behavior is using the Tab key to move around. Most of web application users are very surprised when they see the Enter key behave that way.

I understand that most Forms users and developers disagree with that but unfortunately this is one of the changes we have to get used to as Forms developers.

Best, Yalim

(27 Feb '13, 04:28) Yalim K. Gerger ♦♦

Hi Yalim,

I was expecting an immediate answer. So I kept waiting. And I got it.

It is a great satisfaction and pleasure to interact with you people. Yalim, you are a bit defensive here. Do not worry. I see a day when you will be able to dictate and also stop answering our questions? Because you will become a VVVVIP. But for that to happen you need to make this product a success. Why I am putting my questions/comments? Because, I want to make this product perfect and a pleasure for end-users.

I will write to you separetly, in due course with additional thoughts.

Gorge.

(27 Feb '13, 04:46) George

Hi George,

I apologize if I sounded defensive. That was not my intention at all.

There are indeed a lot of mismatches between Forms World and the Web World. Some of these mismatches can be resolved in favor of the Forms World. But some need to be resolved in favor of the Web World. This Enter key issue is one of them.

The problem is, Enter key in Web World is generally used to send information to the server. That's the default expectation of a user when using a web application (even you would expect that :-)).

(27 Feb '13, 05:00) Yalim K. Gerger ♦♦

So overriding this universally expected behavior in the framework is not going to fly in the Web World. So we made a design decision not to include Enter as a navigation button.

I suggest you give some time to this issue until you get some feedback from your users. If at the end of the day, your users hate using the Tab key so much that they refuse to use your new application, we'll think of something. But as Michiel pointed out, users are generally very receptive to this change.

Best, Yalim

(27 Feb '13, 05:00) Yalim K. Gerger ♦♦
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Hi Yalim,

You are not defensive. It is the web environment. Sorry, if I wrongly wrote something.

Let's forget everything and the ENTER key. Let us make this product a success.

George.

(27 Feb '13, 05:24) George

:-)). It's always a pleasure to talk to you George. Let's make all of our products a success! :-)

(27 Feb '13, 05:26) Yalim K. Gerger ♦♦

Agree and thanks.

(27 Feb '13, 05:28) George
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